Jul 3, 2019

Spider-Rama: Amazing Spider-Man #27

Welcome to Spider-Rama! Each Wednesday, Ben and Duy will look at a Spider-Man issue from the very beginning, in chronological order, and answer questions for various categories, inspired in large part by one of our favorite podcasts, The Rewatchables by The Ringer. Our goal is to make it to Amazing Spider-Man #200. Will we make it? Grab your Amazing Spider-Man Omnibus or crank up your tablet to Marvel Unlimited, and then tune in every Wednesday to find out!

Except, in honor of the release of Spider-Man: Far From Home this weekend, we will be going daily for Spider-Rama for the next two weeks! So tune in every day at the same time for your daily dose of Spider-Man retrospectives!

by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko

Spider-Man is captured by the Green Goblin and is used as a bargaining chip in the gang war with the Crime-Master!


BEN: Villain appearance count:
  • The Vulture: 3
  • The Chameleon: 2
  • Doctor Octopus: 4
  • Electro: 2
  • Kraven the Hunter: 2
  • Mysterio: 3
  • Sandman: 2
  • Green Goblin: 5
  • The Enforcers: 3
  • The Ringmaster and The Circus of Crime: 2
DUY: Third Norman Osborn?

BEN: The Crime-Master dies, revealing himself to be no one we actually know.

DUY: Is this the first actual two-parter? The one where Peter decides to quit being Spider-Man is the first one, I guess, but it could be argued that's just a regular ending considering who we're talking about.

BEN: I’d still consider that a two-parter.


DUY: The opening splash page's pose is the stuff memes are made of.

DUY: On a serious note, I think this is the best issue since the last Ock issue. It's where I feel the pace of the run just really picking up.


DUY: I'm pretty sure a lot of kids these days, male or female, get taught how to sew, so the fact that Peter hates to do it is going to look more like he just really hates it rather than it being a statement about masculinity or anything.


BEN: Cops brawling with gangsters seems so wholesome and old-fashioned.

DUY:  Is one of the cops in your copy black too? Because I'm feeling they just recolored this in the Omnibus.

BEN: They're both black.

DUY: That has to be a big thing in 1965, right? they haven't introduced Robbie yet.

BEN: It'd have been cooler if they didn't color them gray.


DUY: The shot of the Goblin mask just hanging from its tiny stand while Norman is in the shadows is iconic in my mind.

BEN: I have forever assumed this is what all sewers look like.


DUY: I kinda want to say the Crime-Master. How did Nick Lucky Lewis know that Norman Osborn is the Green Goblin?

BEN: They exchanged identities. Did you even read the comic?

DUY: Oh yeah. Ehhh, I'll give it to him still, 'cause he'll never have the chance to win it again.


BEN: So this comic has two pieces of evidence against the legend that Ditko quit Spider-Man over a disagreement with Stan over the Green Goblin’s identity. First, they did the “it’s nobody you know” reveal for the Crime-Master, so would they really do it again? Second, if that is Norman Osborn at the club with Jonah, then it doesn’t seem random that they would plant that seed in a Goblin issue.

DUY: If anything, the fact that he's getting close to Jonah and bringing up Spider-Man when he can only points toward the buildup. As I mentioned in the previous issue, Crime-Master as a non-reveal only works because you think it's going to be Foswell. They do a slight twist on this at the end by making Peter sorta suspect him as being the Goblin, but then they flat-out tell us he isn't.

BEN: There’s nobody in the cast that could be the Goblin at this point, would be the counterargument. Maybe Ditko disagreed with this businessman he’s developing being revealed as Harry’s father. That could be a variation of the legend. We’ll have to pay attention as Norman is further developed to see if that’s something Stan could have done purely through dialogue without Ditko’s consent.

DUY: That's it for Spider-Rama this week.

BEN: Thank you, Stan Lee and Steve Ditko—

DUY: —for telling us we aren't the only ones.

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Fred W. Hill said...

Ditko did go on record at some point verifying that he intended the yet-to-be named Norman Osborne to be the Green Goblin and that when he first drew Norman at JJJ's social club, in the days when he & Stan were still speaking, he pointed him out and specified, "that's the Goblin". So Ditko's departure from Marvel had nothing whatsoever to do with any disagreement over the identity of the Green Goblin.

Harry Sewalski said...

On the swapping of identities - an issue of Untold Tales of Spider-Man (the last, I believe) revealed that the Green Goblin actually tricked the Crime-Master into thinking that his real identity was J. Jonah Jameson. The retcon works for me, because it's hard to picture Norman trusting someone with such important information.

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