Jul 21, 2011

Grant Morrison Is Wrong about Alan Moore

I'll tell you guys who I'm sick of. I'm sick of this guy.

He even looks obnoxious.



Every single time Grant Morrison opens his mouth, it's a frustrating read. He is that kid in school who has to continually point out how smart and intelligent and great he is, as if he's so insecure of what people actually think of him. And a favorite pastime of his is bashing Alan Moore. In the mid-eighties when he started accusing Moore of ripping off Robert Mayer's Superfolks for WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW? and MIRACLEMAN, when Moore merely took elements from Mayer's work (which is a horrible read, by the way, no matter what Morrison tells you — it's trashy storytelling) and changed the way it was applied. You know, the same way he does to everything he writes.

But ever since then, Morrison hasn't stopped, and has continued to bash Alan Moore in interviews and his own works — the most recent being FINAL CRISIS — over the last twenty-odd years. That's TWENTY years of bashing, friends. That's longer than most of you, I bet, have been reading.

There's this quote from a few weeks ago where he says, that all his works are "my WATCHMEN. [Moore] just did one, and I do one a week." No. Untrue. Morrison has not written anything on the level of WATCHMEN, not in terms of influence or craft. Oh, sure, he wishes he had, but he hasn't. His big magnum opus that his fans like tossing around, THE INVISIBLES, has made a little splash in a big pond, and is also, mind-numbingly, one of the most boring comics I've ever had to try to read. Grant Morrison does not have the influence that Moore has on creators that came afterward — he simply does not. MIRACLEMAN and SWAMP THING changed the game, and even paved the way for a young prima donna like Grant Morrison to tell his stories. Grant Morrison has done nothing that has even dented the game. Oh, he's written things that have maybe made a mark on your car, but he hasn't actually changed anything.

But what gets me more here is just the pure ego of the man, as if everything he writes is destined for greatness, for no other reason than because he says so.

Moore doesn't even put WATCHMEN on the pedestal that comic book fans do. Not even close. To him, it's a good story that he wrote and put a lot of hard work in and that turned out fine and did a bunch of things comics can do, because of Dave Gibbons. It's nowhere near his favorite work, nowhere near what he considers his best work. But with Morrison, before anything even comes out, he'll do interviews for it and praise himself at how incredibly clever and wonderful it is, like this one he did about the DCnU Superman.

He's so desperate to sound like a true pioneer that he just wants to market himself as one. There's nothing wrong with marketing yourself — Stan Lee did it to great success in the sixties. The difference between Stan and Grant is that Stan comes off as the lovable uncle and you know he's saying things with a hint of irony, while Grant places himself on a pedestal.

Alan Moore lets his work speak for itself, while Grant Morrison tries to encourage fans to masturbate with him at a convention.

This is what gets me: In all the interviews I've read with Alan Moore (and I've read A LOT), he's bashed one creator. One. He's criticized some works, like Grant's ARKHAM ASYLUM, but I've seen him specifically bash one artist (I'm sure you can guess who that is). That's it. Oh, sure, there was the whole "DC has no top-flight talent" comment last year, but even the guy who conducted that interview has said he was being facetious, and that he was lumping himself in that category. Morrison continually takes shots at Moore, has done so since at least 1986, to the point that he puts "Alan Moore villains" in his comics.

Moore has continually gone on record saying that he's NOT a comics icon, he's not a superstar, he doesn't do conventions or even leave Northampton specifically because he can't stand the fame. And here's Morrison taking potshots at him for twenty years.

I have never seen Moore say any praise about his work beyond "Yeah, that book was pretty good." And more often than not, he doesn't like his work as we readers do. Any crankiness and perceived arrogance in interviews comes from him being asked the same questions for 25 years.

Grant Morrison is one of a growing breed who place themselves on a gigantic pedestal and I hate it. They get treated like superstars and act like divas.

But it doesn't end there. According to this review of Morrison's Supergods, Morrison apparently says the following:

I chose to see writers like Alan Moore as missionaries who attempted to impose their own values and preconceptions on cultures they considered inferior—in this case, that of superheroes. Missionaries humiliate the natives by pointing out their gauche customs and colorfully frank traditional dress. They bullied defenseless fantasy characters into leather trench coats and nervous breakdowns and left formerly carefree fictional communities in a state of crushing self-doubt and dereliction. Anthropologists on the other hand, surrendered themselves to foreign cultures. They weren’t afraid to go native or look foolish. They came and they departed with respect and in the interests of mutual understanding. Naturally, I wanted to be an anthropologist.

Grant Morrison's lack of self-awareness is astonishing. First of all, all anyone has to do to know Alan Moore loves the genre of superheroes is to actually read it. If he didn't love Swamp Thing, he wouldn't have known how to put the right spin on the character, enough to make him a true game-changer (again, something Morrison has never done). Second of all, a story like SUPERMAN: FOR THE MAN WHO HAS EVERYTHING? What in that entire story has anything to do with anything Morrison accuses Moore of doing? That was a story written with a love and respect for Superman's entire history. There were no trenchcoats, no nervous breakdowns.

So because Moore doesn't actually have as big a body of work as you might think when it comes to superheroes, I can only guess that Morrison was referring to WATCHMEN. But GRANT! That was the point of WATCHMEN! It was to show that you can't really treat these characters in a realistic way, which is where the medium was headed toward, because if these guys were actually real, they wouldn't last!

And more to the point, how can Morrison claim to not do the things he said he didn't want to do when he did this to Animal Man?


This Animal Man was bullied into black leather and had his family killed, driving him almost insane, only to find out it was all a dream at the very end, there but for the good grace of Grant, literally. (By the way — writing yourself into your own book? Not very clever, innovative, inventive, and in this case, even good.)

No no no, don't try to tell me that the whole point of this story is to show why the grim n' gritty approach doesn't actually work! If Morrison will intentionally miss the point of Moore's works with a blanket statement like that, then everything has to be judged according to the same criteria here. I know what Grant's trying to say. Moore said it before he did. And Moore said it better.

Speaking of "humiliating" these superhero costumes, I present to you Grant Morrison's X-Men, they of the leather jacket variety!


And of course, how can we possibly forget ARKHAM ASYLUM, which I'm sure Morrison will gladly boast is the greatest Batman story ever, except for all the other Batman stuff he's written:


It's amazing to me how incredibly hypocritical he is. As I've explained before, FINAL CRISIS was supposed to be his take on the fight against the vampiric practices of the comic book industry, but all he ever did in that book is tell a story that was even more vampiric and parasitic than anything he was supposedly speaking out against.

And there's no regard for history or courtesy here at all. The fact is that Morrison wouldn't be Grant Morrison if not for Alan Moore. As Pol Rua, who loves both men's works, has pointed out to me, Morrison enjoys much of his success because DC learned its lesson with Moore, because Moore was the big brother who came first before the rest of them, and the one that they made all their mistakes on.

At the end of the day, Grant Morrison's career will always be compared to Alan Moore's. He will always be in his shadow, for better or for worse. But Moore? I have multiple books on the man's career, and I don't think I've seen Morrison mentioned more than once. Alan Moore is an essential part of Grant Morrison's career. Morrison is a footnote to Moore's.

And that must sting, and that may be the reason for the endless 25 years of petty, jealous bashing. And if I actually do avoid the new ACTION COMICS based solely on one thing that may have nothing to do with the story (I refuse to go by the solicitations and press releases — those are using buzzwords to attract mainstream media attention and nothing more), it's because of Grant Morrison and his prima donna attitude. I can usually put the personality of a creator aside if it has nothing to do with their work. But this is getting ridiculous.

In short, get over it, Grant. And get over yourself. While some people may consider you better than Alan Moore, Moore doesn't care.

But you clearly do.

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

And he's a slaphead.

Paul C said...

I'm a big Morrison fan (although the Invisibles isn't my cup of tea) but he's completely missed the point of Moore's work.

It seems to be quite fashionable for creators to have a pop at Moore these days. Jim Starlin wrote a line in 'Death In the Family' where Batman compares his situation to that of an old gunslinger, "When you're the best, every jerk and his sister wants a crack at the title." That seems to be Moore's situation. But Morrison wrote All Star Superman so I'll forgive him for acting like a massive baldy douche-bag. :)

Duy said...

Paul, while (as you know) I'm a fan of some of Grant's work, it's always bugged me that he's bashed Moore and been bashing Moore for DECADES! Decades, Paul, decades!!

Paul C said...

Yeah, he needs to get over it. They should both have some kind of drug fuelled wizard's duel and settle it once and for all!

Duy said...

Moore's hair wins that battle automatically.

Madeley said...

I'm always a bit wary about quotes and controversial statements about anything, especially considering the standard of online comics journalism. We all love gossip- at least, I do- but I wonder how much of it is overstated to maximise page hits.

I'm not saying this is the case in this instance, but I can easily see Morrison saying the Watchmen thing above as a throwaway gag in a much longer interview that had nothing to do with Moore. The bulk of the Mindless Ones interview, for example, has nothing to do with either Moore or Mark Millar, yet the few sentences related to those two are the ones that drew the most attention.

I suppose one of the things that makes me wary is that I attended a Grant Morrison Batman panel once, and he came across as a pretty nice guy. Plus, he made a couple of jokes in the panel about the state of comics that, had they been repeated verbatim without context, would have made him look like a complete prick. Which absolutely was not how it played in the room.

Duy said...

Fair enough. I give the same defense for Alan Moore - that most of the time, his comments are taken without regard for his actual tone or intent.

This, however, has been going on for decades. If he's still running with a joke, it's one that's no longer funny.

Madeley said...

Yeah, true. But I suppose it isn't really possible to discuss anything superhero related in any depth without bringing Moore up in some way, shape or form.

Joseph Thomas said...

So, I just read a couple of reviews of Supergods, one of which you link to above. I really like much of GM's work, but his take on Siegel & Shuster's claim to Superman in the face of DC's decades old strong arm tactics has really soured me to him lately. Evidently, he spends four pages or so explicating and commenting on the cover of Action comics #1 ... one reader of the review to which you link has this to say:

"Morrison's in depth description of Action Comics #1 is almost like poetry at times. You can really feel the love that he has for the character, the ideas and the creators of the Superman mythos."

Can you believe it? If he wants to show love for the character and creators of that character, well, I can think of an easier way to show it than explicating their cover: how about speaking out for their creator rights? How about defending their family's attempt to see a tiny fraction of the profits that character has earned for DC?

I hate to be a cynic (tho it's more and more difficult these days not to be one), but the timing of this book's release seems like marketing synergy, an advertisement for Grant Morrison Brand Action Comics in the form of a historically suspect and self-indulgent treatise on super-heroes. Plus, setting aside whatever stylistic or aesthetic qualities the book may or may not have (again: I haven't read it yet, and I do tend to like Morrison's writing), from the reviews I've read, Morrison's claims in the book - the arguments, the insights into the nature of the superhero and its relation to humankind - don't seem very novel, oftentimes seem outdated, and definitely pale beside the rigorous academic work on the subject I've read. His theories about the evolution of mankind into a super race, the idea we're just cells in the body of some Super God, his take on spirituality and mysticism and drug use as a psychonautical tool, well, those too are smack of a kind of 1970s new age mysticism, colored with Jung's Hero of a Thousand Faces, Burroughs's experiments with Yage, Ray Kurzweil's futurist predictions of technological singularity, etc. etc... a popularization of ideas already out there, many of which have already been debunked.

As a professor of comics studies and an academic who does work on Moore and Morrison, I need to read this book, but I fear it won't serve me much beyond knowing what Morrison thinks these days. I don't expect to learn much about the history of comics, and am bracing myself for the reiteration of many erroneous commonplaces about comics and superheroes and myth.

Love all around!
Joseph

Joseph Thomas said...

Btw, here's a pretty interesting (yet not flawless) review of Supergods. It's written without the fannishness that precludes many in the blogosphere from a rigorous accounting of the book's merits and faults:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/books/supergods-by-grant-morrison-book-review.html?_r=3&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha28

Duy said...

Valid points, all, Joseph.

I hope you've read my latest post, in which I talk abouthow I feel about Grant's stance on the Siegel and Shuster case.

James Graham (Quaequam Blog!) said...

I think you very badly misrepresent Morrison's views, although I have to admit he brought it onto himself by being such an arse in the 90s - even then it is not as one-sided as you are presenting here (see Talking With Gods for at least one anecdote). While he is critical of Watchmen, in Supergods he is worshipful of Marvelman and is generally very respectful of the man.

You also misunderstand the point of Animal Man, which was critiquing the trend to make all characters angst-ridden and hateful.

Duy said...

I have seen Morrison talk for the last two decades. When he is not praising himself or his latest innovation that hasn't actually happened yet, he is bashing Alan Moore. When he is complimenting Alan Moore, he does so in a backhanded way. And he completely misunderstands the point of Marvelman.

And I misrepresent the point of Animal Man, which was critiquing the trend to make all characters angst-ridden and hateful? You must have missed the part of the article where I actually say the exact same thing you said. Morrison missed the point of Moore's work — which is to show why superheroes can't be made angst-ridden or hateful — so criticizing Animal Man on the exact same grounds is fair game. I say that in the article. You must have missed it.

Miguel Rosa said...

This article at times almost looks like something I wrote a few days ago; I swear I wasn't plagirizing you, and maybe you'd like to read it. I too point out Morrison's hypocrisy and emphasize the nostalgic superhero comics Moore has been writing for a long time, long before Morrison:

http://comicswithoutfrontiers.blogspot.com/2011/10/revisionism-reconstructionism-looking.html

demogorgon said...

A couple of months ago I ordered Promethea and Seven Soldiers in the same package. There was some kind of mix-up and the books arrived separately. The story repeated itself this week with Necronomicon and Supergods. That's a freakish coincidence...or is it.. tmadmadam...

demogorgon said...

A couple of months ago I ordered Promethea and Seven Soldiers in the same package. There was some kind of mix-up and the books arrived separately. The story repeated itself this week with Necronomicon and Supergods. That's a freakish coincidence...or is it...tamdamdam...

Miguel Rosa said...

Today I was re-reading Supergods, and one of the things that upsets me about Morrison is his hypocrisy. He slams Alan Moore, but then he praises Warren Ellis' The Authority. I don't understand how he can have a problem with Watchmen and not with The Authority, which is far darker and more violent. But then again, Morrison and Ellis are buddies.

Anonymous said...

You. Are. A. Jackass.

I could go on, but I know I won't change your mind, so I won't waste your time nor mine.

You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is, but you are still a fucking jackass.

Duy Tano said...

In other words, "I love Grant Morrison so much, but I won't even back up any of my claims to your points, and I'll personally insult you, AND I won't even be man enough to leave my name."

Anonymous said...

Well said.

I've told you before how overrated I feel Morrison is. I've never read one of his highly praised works without being completely underwhelmed aftewards.

That added in with his constant need to praise himself and inexplicably bash Moore every chance he gets, makes it really hard for me to ever want to read one of his books.

But his contingent of loyal fans on the internet say he is a genius, so he must be.

- Ben Smith (I leave my name because I am not afraid to stand by what I write)

Paul C said...

Hey Anonymous! Speaking as a massive Grant Morrison fan myself I'd say he could probably do without fans like you. You're not doing him any favours by acting like another one of the legions of abusive, nameless cowards that make the internet such an unpleasant place.

As you say, Duy is entitled to his opinion. He's entitled to it because he backed up his comments with well reasoned arguments. You, on the other hand, shouldn't even be entitled to an internet connection.

Anonymous said...

Grant Morrison is a hack. He's a piss-poor writer, and he'll never be even remotely in the same league as Alan Moore. And he knows it.

Pól Rua said...

I personally like most of Grant Morrison's work, but really, he needs to focus on that and not bother so much with someone who could obviously give less of a shit about what he has to say.
I mean, yeah, sure you could go to Northampton and stand around outside Ol'Beardie's place and call him all the names under the sun, but he's not listening 'cos he's too busy enjoying himself and getting on with his own shit.

Or you could follow his example, work on your own stuff and be happy in it.
Seems a much less stress-inducing option.

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